Export 3D modela u flash??

Zelim da 3d model koji sam napravio prebacim u flash fortam da bi ga gomao pokazati drugima. Uspeo sam da pocomu FlashEx V2 exportujeom mdel, ali nema tekstura ni poligonaas mo linije..PS:radim u Cinema 4D r.10.5
Unapred hvala..

_{[Ovu poruku je menjao pwaper dana 11.09.2010. u 10:46 GMT+1]}

Ja se bas interesujem za 3d u flashu ali ne pamtim kad sam zadnji put nesto nasao na tu temu. Samo par demoa ali nista posebno. Najavili su da ce flash 11 biti 3D ali nista se ne zna kad ce.

jedna mogucnost je da model prikazes pmocu VRML plugina u browseru a druga mogucnost: pogledaj temu "virtuelni muzej" ili tako nekako se zove ima isto jedno resenje jako dobro...

U flashu za sada moze napraviti samo nekakav slide-show ili pseudo 3d animaciju sacinjenu od 2D frejmova (koje dobijes renderovanjem) kao na primer ovo http://www.motorola.com/Consum...GLP-DROID-2&WT.mc_ev=click

Tesko ces ista kvalitetno napraviti na taj nacin. Modeli koji se eksportuju u flash, moraju prvo da se razlome na poligone a zatim da se eksportuju kao .dae (collada) fajlovi. Zatim uzmi neki od flesh 3d endzina poput Papervisiona i odradi ostatak posla.
Postoji mogucnost eksporta u celih modela u dae fajl, ali dolazi do problema mapiranja i svacega jos, sto resavas poznavanjam rada u endzinu. Na netu ima dosta primera pa i mogucnosti da ubacis svoje modele u vec pripremljene projekte. Samo izguglaj ali po pravoj reci: Papervision ili flash 3d engine.

VRML je web format ali nije flash format ima jake mogucnosti interakcije i ne bas najbolji shader ali
Od toga smo odustali ima nekoliko godina posetilac mora da instalira plugin da bi mogao videti 3D objekt na racunaru sto ce retko tko da uradi boje se ljudi da ce ukokati racunar.
Druga mogucnost je 3D flash sa java skriptom
Imas dve firme koje to valjano rade prvi su svedjani a drugi je holomatix Papervision ne koristimo ne valja.

Mi koristimo Holomatix program moze da otvori 3DS Maya MAX i Lightwave format interakcije mozes odraditi u AS mogucnosti interakcije mozes pogledati na Holomatix.com
neke nase primere na http://www.stock-3d.com/Web-3D-service/

Prednost je sto na kraju dobijas web baziranu realtime 3D Flash aplikaciju koja da bi ju korisnik video treba imati instalirano na racunaru:
Flash player
Java skript

A to je otprilike 98 % racunara.
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Da se ne upustamo opet u prepucavanja "majstore" kao sto su duboko belo itd. takvi nisu u stanju da odrade te stvari i onda uzimaju sebe kao merilo sveta i tvrde da nije moguce, jer boze moje oni su posisali svu pamet ovoga sveta a ne mogu tako nesto. Mozes dobiti prilicno dobre modele za www vise nego izvrsne ali nemoj online 3D vektorsku grafiku mesati sa offline renderom ( duboko belo ocito jos uvek nije ustanovio razliku izmedju te dve stvari) web 3d grafika se renderuje u realnom vremenu na svakom korisnickom racunaru posebno i prikaz ovisi o hardveru i softweru korisnika dakle na sto racunara imas sto razlicitih kvaliteta prikaza.

Hvala mohok za odgovor ilia imas li neki tutorial za ovaj holomatix posto ggmasa skinuo ali ne znam kako da opxertuje pomocu njega??

...pisah ti onomad o tvom pisanju, a ti opet ...

"ja te krstim, a ti prdish" - kako rekose neki mudri ljudi ...

(sorry za off topic) ...brzo ce Mohok :)

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imas gomilu tutorijala na holomatixovom sajtu
Idi na link Blaze 3D Studio
Stvar je vrlo jednostavna odradis model u nekom 3D programu za special FX importiras ga u Blase tamo mu ispoliras shadere osvetljenje interakcije i materijale i zatim Opcija "publish" program ti automatski odradi 3D flash, Java aplet i Html.
Vazno je da pripazis da ti model nema previse poligona ( do 15 000 je optimalno) odnosno da teksture ne prelaze granicu za WWW.

Ima jos masa "krupnica" koje su bitne da model valjano funkcionira vezano za interakcije dobar prikaz itd. Ali o tome bih ti mogao napisati knjigu od 500 strana.
Ako hoces da odradis interakcije onda je najbolje da se povezes sa nekim ko zna valjano da odradi Flash programiranje Action script mi smo upravo zbog toga odabrali Holomatix Blase jer ima ljudi koje mozemo da angazujemo relativno brzo i ne moramo mnogo da ih obucavamo.

Kao sto vidis vec se javljaju "majstori" 3D zanata da mudruju srpski pajkan i duboko belo na primer, svi su oni odreda kao evnuh u Haremu po principu:
1) On zna kako se to radi
2) On svaki dan gleda kako se to radi
3) Ali on to ne moze da odradi :-)

Ja ti za razliku od njih prenosim konkretna iskustva bazirana na konkretno odradjenim poslovima ne delim savete na osnovu svojih mastarija o stvarima koje nisam u stanju da uradim.

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Samo pripazi sa Holomatixovim tray outom upuca ti se u registri datoteke od windowsa i ako ne umes da pocistis stvar nema ti druge nego da nakon sto je istekao tray out period formatiras racunar da bi ga mogao dalje isprobavati. oprezni su englezi sa licencama svadjao sam se sa njima nekoliko puta kad sam selio licencu sa racunara na racunar jednostavno je preterano osigurano sad su me ostavili na miru i mogu da selim licencu kako hocu.
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Nadam se da ce sada neko od moderatora videti i obrisati temu, pwapervec mesecima se divi MOHOK-u, postavi sad temu kao da nezna cime se ovaj bavi a onda MOHOK dodje i reklamira svoju firmu. Ovu pricu smo ovde culi vec hiljadu puta.

Labicko iskreno se izvinjavam sto te nisam pomenuo kod nabrajanja evnuha, nisam to uradio iz razloga sto se nisi na vreme javio da po obicaju delis mudre savete o stvarima o kojima pojma nemas.

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Ipak bih upitao sve evnuhe odreda: Jel vi umete da odradite posao o kojem je ovde rec ili niste tome dorasli pa zato pljujete po sistemu "ne mogu da ga dohvatim ali grozdje je ionako kiselo" ???
Zavist treba i zasluziti

Razumeo sam ponesto ali nemam vremena da se nesto vise posvecujem tome, Bio bih ti zahvalan ako mi oadneki sablon i objasnis mi samo kako da mjenjam model telefona.. Ako imas nesto tako molio bi te da mi posaljes i usput objasis kako da mjenjam model???

e dobro je ovo sa evnusima :) ... a "kiselo grozdje" ti je vec ofucana fora ...

aj sad posalji Stefiju sabloncice ... da vidimo kako Vi to, u vasoj firmi TAMO, radite ...

mada vec "vidim" da ce biti problem oko "davanja" licenci - u vezi sa :
"prvi su svedjani,drugi holomatiks ,papervizn ne valja"

doduse ovo sa SABLONOM ni nema neke logike, ali Vasa firma ce to sigurno resiti i
izvesti jednog talentovanog momka na pravi put ...

Sto ne "zakupis" prostor na Elitu - kupi baner i linkuj ga "sa one strane Alpa" i tamo sviraj .....
(posto si izgleda opet nasao instrument ;) )

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Pwaper nema sablona niti u jednom poslu odes u Blase u material editor i tamo editiras materijale imas slider i menjas opcije:
Blur Brightness Saturation Freesnel imas cetiri kanala i to je vise nego dovoljno.

Sto se samih interakcija tice u sample datotekama imas Flash datoteke *.fla i *. swf To mozes menjati ako znas da radis sa Flash Action Scriptom. na samom sajtu imas gomilu gotovih skriptova za interakcije ako se ne razumes u AS onda ti savetujem da potrazis nekoga ko zna da radi sa Flashom ima ih tri za gros.

Nije jednostavno ali se moze po meni su svi ostali konverteri odreda daleko komplikovaniji.

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Ipak bih jos jedared upitao Evnuhe dal ste vi odradili barem jedan posao o kojem sada delite mudre savete ??

Labicko jesi li ti to vec dobio nervni slom ili se moram jos malo potruditi :-) ????

srpski pajkan Ne mogu da sviram
Evnusi mi pojeli instrument

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Ma uredu to sve, nego kad exportu mejmodel iz Cinema 4D u .3ds zatim poklenem blaze i uzmem inport iz .3ds prvo mi izb icanesto u vezi texture valjda da je ne moze ucitat, i kad udje uopste mi ne prilazuje an onom desnom delu ekrana model ili ako srecom prikaze neki model on nema texturu, zatim uzmem meni Tuxtures inport textuiie rubacim texturu koju sam koristio na modelu, odem u -Object, -Pa model,-MatMaterial i u meniju texture map izaberem svoju texturu ali mi je ono uopste ne promeni na modelu desno. Kako to da popravim i dali imaju neke odredjene dimenzije modela???

labicko i vi ostali stvarno ste vise smorili, ako nemozete pomoci, nemojte ni smetati..

_{[Ovu poruku je menjao pwaper dana 16.09.2010. u 16:13 GMT+1]}

Problem koji si naveo je ocito vezan za kvalitetu same datoteke koju si odradio kako kazes u Cinema odnosno za kvalitetu exporta u 3DS format.
Dobivali smo datoteke uradjene u tom programu i mogu reci da nemam pozitivnih iskustava Cinema je zgodan program za movie na tom podrucju moze mnogo toga da odradi ali za izradu 3D modela i razmenu je najblaze receno "pipava" :-) .
Uvek smo imali nekakvih dorada i popravki.
Ako ti nije tesko okaci tu 3DS datoteku i pripadajuce teksture da pogledamo u cemu je stvar ovako mogu samo da nabadam rado cu ti pomoci samo treba da uhvatim vremena.

Blaze inace retko pravi probleme sa importom ako ga radis direktno iz Maya odnosno MAX jer kod importa pokrece program i cita direktno skript iz njega.
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Evo link http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NGSBZA3F 114 kb , mozes ga skinuti bez registracije na sajt.
Imas i texturu, .3ds format i .c4d...